E299 | How to Build a Brand That Speaks to Robots and Humans


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Hi Reader,

Today on the show, we’re joined by Susan Keplinger, CEO of Force of Nature, where she helps fast-growing brands replace chaos with data-backed, systemized marketing.

Suzanne breaks down why creative is the new targeting, why fewer campaigns outperform overly complex setups, and what it takes to build a marketing engine that both humans and algorithms can understand.

Here’s what you’ll take away from this episode:

🎨 Why creative portfolios beat precision

🤖 How to market to robots (and why it matters)

📈 The Growth Signal System behind brands like Ring

🔥 Why activation is the secret to retention

🧠 When to stop relying on intuition & start trusting data

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Host of Churn FM, the podcast for subscription economy pros to learn how the world's fastest-growing companies are tackling churn and using retention to fuel their growth.

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